Posts by Separation of Powers

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The elders are 'letting me fade'

by TableForOne in

i attended my last meeting in january 2014, having realised that i'd been lied to for 20+ years (i'm now 43 y/o).

rumours spread of my 'apostasy'.. in may, cobe contacted me inviting me to a private meeting with elders at the kh.

(no mention of the meeting being a jc).

Most absurd thing mentioned at District Convention, excuse me, Regional Convention

by Separation of Powers in

so, the round of "regional" conventions has been going on for a few months now.

for those that attended, or those that got transcripts of the parts,.

what was the most absurd thing you heard at yours?.

I recall the same demo with the young guys and "Satisfying the desire." I thought it was kind of a crack up....in circles that no one at Bethel mentions, the belief of some of the big wigs is that in the "new order" or "Paradise" everyone will be assigned where they will live just like when Jehovah assigned the Promised Land....So the demo is moot. This SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE DEMO>>>>

(Young kid) Hey, I wanted to live in the mountains!

(Eartly Prince) Sorry kid, all the mountain estates are already filled by "helpers" to the GB and Circuit Overseers under 70.

(Young kid) What about the beach then? Can I live on the beach?

(Earthly Prince) -stifling a laugh- Kid, look, you didn't pioneer, you didnt go to bethel, your record of faithful service as found in the new scrolls shows that you worked on a quick build once and helped with the Kingdom Hall cleaning and microphones. You'll take what your given.

(Young kid) Well, what about the beach?

(Earthly Prince) Look, the beach estates are filled with the young widows of former Governing Body members and members of the Service Committee and Legal Department. The former, because they sacrificed so much by being married to those men that they knew would end up going to heaven and deserve it. The latter, because they helped the organization survive the pedo scandals and kept the organization solvent.

(Young kid)-rolling his eyes- What about all that talk at the assembly of satisfying the desire of every living thing? I mean, I made it into Paradise and now you're telling me I have to live where I don't want to live?

(Earthly Prince)-a practiced stern look- Kid, let me ask you a question...Do you want to live or die?

(Young kid)-sheepishly- Live.

(Earthly Prince) Is your desire to live greater than your desire to reside in the mountains or by the beach?

(Young kid)- Of course.

(Earthly Prince)- Then your "desire" -finger quotes- is being satisfied.

(Young kid)- Well, I guess. -he hesitates, scratching his head- Where am I going to live then?

(Earthly Prince)-pulling out a notebook computer and accessing the "scrolls" as found on JW.org- You have been assigned to live over that hill. -he points-

(Young kid)- But....that's where the old garbage dump was!

(Earthly Prince) You know, you're right. It's there waiting to be transformed into a paradise. Maybe you should have thought about doing more back in the old system. All those people who sacrificed are getting the choicest lots, the best views, the prime real estate, THEIR desires are a lot more important than yours.

(Young kid)- walking away with his head down- Doesn't sound much like a Paradise for the rest of us.

(Earthly Prince) -perturbed- Excuse me, WHAT?!?

(Young kid) Nothing.

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Most absurd thing mentioned at District Convention, excuse me, Regional Convention

by Separation of Powers in

so, the round of "regional" conventions has been going on for a few months now.

for those that attended, or those that got transcripts of the parts,.

what was the most absurd thing you heard at yours?.

Separation of Powers

So, the round of "regional" conventions has been going on for a few months now. For those that attended, or those that got transcripts of the parts,

What was the most absurd thing you heard at yours?

I got to say, I heard every talk, give or take 3 or 4, ok maybe 5. But, the absolutely most absurd thing I heard has got to be the rehashing of the Overlapping Generation. Yes, we are all aware of it. But, we only read it in print. To hear a BIG WIG describe the absurdity of the belief and then hear the applause after his explanation was Orwellian to say the least.

I just folded my arms and rolled my eyes.

SOP

108

God Says Scripture is Enough

by Perry in

from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

Separation of Powers

If you believe that the Bible is the true and inalterable word of God, than it should be enough. However, if you believe the Bible is a series of books based on legend and myth, developed over the course of centuries and whose contents was selected by a man who was a notable apostate of the early christian church in the second century then you might need some other reading material.

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Speculation: Female Ministerial Servants coming soon

by Londo111 in

ive no source for this, just personal speculation.. * there is a good case to be made that there were female deacons (ministerial servants) in the bible.. * there is a lack of qualified brothers for basic assignments such as microphones, accounts, literature.

in some cases, elders have had to do double duty because of a lack of ministerial servants or qualified brothers.. * women outnumber men in the organization.. * there is supposedly a surprising change coming "down the pipe".. perhaps the only difference between male and female ministerial servants is that women will still not be allowed to teach..

Separation of Powers

Never gonna happen....This is a good ole boys club. Very misogynistic

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Would JWs Really Drink The Kool Aid?

by minimus in

jw
friends

if push came to shove and it was a showdown for loyalty to the organization or not following whatever decrees coming heir way, what percentage would remain loyal to the organization?

.

Separation of Powers

I thought about this question and changed my response several times. At first, I thought no way, the majority would NOT drink the literal kool aid because they organization has said they would "never" ask the brothers to do something that would endanger them.... Then, I realized that the organization has already asked their followers to do things that endanger their lives....aka...blood doctrine. So...Yes, I believe that more than you can imagine would drink the kool-aid, I think more would reject it based on flavor than outcome...

"Grape? All you have is grape?"

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CAPTION COMPETITION !

by Focus in

nathan h. knorr was the third president of the watchtower society.

he was by mentality a clerk, with a fondness for instructing young male brooklyn bethel inductees as to what was the "right handling" of their genitalia.

it goes without saying he was a liar, a fraud, a hypocrite, a swindler, a conman and a thoroughly evil bastard, and let f.franz perpetrate the great 1975 hoax to boost membership, murdering the hopes of millions of elderly victims while so doing.. joseph f. "judge for 4 days" rutherford was the second president of the watchtower society.

Separation of Powers

Knorr and "right handling"? Give me a break. You can accuse him of a lot of stuff, but that is utter nonsense and makes the rest of your assertions lack credibility. Knorr was "the organizer." He challenged Rutherford on every front he was involved in. He clandestinely published a Bible with the Society's presses without the approval of Rutherford and this single step was what set his presidency in motion. As for letting Franz loose, let's just say that Knorr was no spiritual guru....Franz was the oracle and everyone from Russel to Jaracz knew it. He had free rein and nobody could stop him until he was found babbling to himself walking down the hallways in 25 with his pendleton like some old-school cholo.

As for the cane and hat. It was the fashion at the time, Covington has one too. It was also a means for self-defense in lieu of a club like the attendants used at Cedar Point....Advertise, Advertise, Advertise!

My caption,

"I think I just saw David and Moses over by the food stands. You did say they were here, didn't you Judge?"

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Something Big is Coming...

by notsurewheretogo in

the annual meeting of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses will be in october 2014.. .. in november 2013, just after the last one they published this now famous statement in the 15th of november 2013 watchtower page 16 paragraph 17 says:.

"at that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from jehovahs organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.".

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I agree that the winds of change are coming....JW.ORG is SOOOO amazing. It is like no other website EVER! Thousands of people ask for studies a month, millions of publications are downloaded. It is a veritable gold mine of donation revenue! Praise JEEBUS!

On a serious note.

"the third heaven" was an adjustment that lends itself to further clarification in a BIG way. The fact that "paradise" is mentioned in conjunction with the 3rd heaven and the fact that the ORG decided this needed to be studied and clarified my well present the opportunity to describe the "paradise" in line with Revelation and the great crowd being "before" the throne.

As for service and door to door ending? Never gonna happen. It serves to humiliate the sheep and a sheep that is humiliated is easily led.

SOP

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Seriously considering stepping down as Elder

by fader77 in

i have been an elder for 6 years.

it's been the last 2 years or so that i've really seen the hypocrisy, but the ability to know the shenanigans of the society through the body of elders letters has kind of kept me in there.

i'm to the point now that i can't stand the hatred and bitterness that the body of elders has towards myself and my whole family.

Separation of Powers

Just a thought

Sometimes part of our dilemma, a huge part, is that we live a double life. We are all hypocrites to some degree, but those are usually in the little things that we can cast aside as insignificant. For the big things, however, like acting like a Witness when deep inside you are not, well, those things are different. They plague you, like an itch you simply can't scratch. And, they eat at you, gnawing subconsciously at your self-esteem and respect. To be an elder while inside you are an apostate (which anyone on this site could readily be considered), has got to be one of the most difficult to ignore. It's like cheating on your wife with her best friend and seeing her best friend all the time, and knowing, yeah, knowing that someday she will find out or you will tell her. The agony will make you crazy, and this, unfortunately, may cause you to do something more drastic than simply stepping down. It may well move you to publicly denounce yourself and position causing irrevocable damage, not to mention the collateral damage your family will endure.

Take it from someone who stepped down some time ago, knowing the inside scoop was simply not enough reason to remain serving. It may be for you...only you can decide.

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why dont more elders leave?

by Crazyguy in

you would think that what they are exposed to more would wake up and leave, why not?

thoughts..

Separation of Powers

RECOGNITION in an otherwise mundane existence